Too stiff?

[uwa]

I've been a BIG Death Match fan for years and years, but you know... Some of the stuff I see nowadays, is just too fucking stiff. Look at IWA Mid-South. Those guys are beating each other up for real. That's no wrestling. It's alot harder to land a fake punch and make it look real, then hitting someone in the head. Ofcourse, some could say all those lighttubes, thumbtacks, barbwire and what not, isn't really wrestling aswell, but what the fuck. It's still done in a controlled environment. More or less. Does anyone agree when I say, it can be a little TOO stiff at times? Don't get me wrong, I love violence, but if I want to see real fights, I turn to Pride FC or something of that sort.

[Priest]

mmm, sincearlly don't know...
I've notice it too... Sometime the scene is very good, but I agree with you, because I don't like it too much...
What i want is noone will get really hurt! (It can seem strange because as well I like DM, lol!)
So maybe too stiff is not good. But I think they're just trying to put a new way to do wrestling... I still don't know if it'll be good or not...
But one thing is sure: the stiff things are very popular! See how much fu**ing popular is the K-1 in Japan (even I don't know why, because I don't like it )
So maybe someone is trying to give to wrestling something new for put it to be more popular again.
That's just my opinion.
Anyway, I agree with you. Stiff can be good, but too much stiff when someone is already hurted cause of a big dump in an hardcore match can be only bad in my opinion...

[xmovingpicturesx]

Yeah, I may watch a few CZW/IWA-MS matches here and there, but the Deathmatches they throw don't really interest me. It seems as if they go for a ridiculous amount of spots every couple of second/minutes. Deathmatches aren't about the spots and stiffness. I *thought* it was about implementing dangerous objects and stipulations within a technical wrestling environment, not "throw him off the cage/scaffold headfirst ten times." BJW FTW.

[Priest]

xmovingpicturesx said:

Yeah, I may watch a few CZW/IWA-MS matches here and there, but the Deathmatches they throw don't really interest me. It seems as if they go for a ridiculous amount of spots every couple of second/minutes. Deathmatches aren't about the spots and stiffness. I *thought* it was about implementing dangerous objects and stipulations within a technical wrestling environment, not "throw him off the cage/scaffold headfirst ten times." BJW FTW.

That's true
But sometime a good and insane bump is not too bad... But only if it'll come only few times.
In BJW and also in other federation with much hardcore wrestling the matches can be good without too much "jump from scaffold"

[selfdetrux]

i think the stiffness comes from the japanese. Even outside of BJW, they are really stiff.

here in america they try to seperate themselfs from WWE i believe. I enjoy the "cringe" factor of stiff wrestling. Sure its fake but you still know that stuff hurts and thats where the realness comes in.

[itofan]

A good example for all that stiffness about throwing people scaffolds would be New Jack vs. Vic Grimes right ? Anyone remembered that incident when Jack tossed Vic off the scaffold thru those tables (but he landed wrong ! )

[robragous]

if you buy the dvd forever hardcore new jack says 'he threw him off wrong because he wanted to kill him'. that is come crazy shit. get the dvd it is well worth it.

[killermonkey]

LOL! New Jack is so full of shit his eyes are brown! I love him to death but I don't believe him. That DVD would have been so much better if they had the rights to show ECW clips. That Gypsy Joe debacle was fucking hilarious!

As far as too stiff or not? I say the sport has just evolved with the times. I love the stiff style, myself. It's as if the crushed glass covering the canvas doesn't even phase them anymore. They're becoming tougher, so naturally they can take harder bumps...

I don't want to see them crippled, but I do love the high spots!

[selfdetrux]

lol that new jack DVD was funny as heck. So worth it for the Gypsy Joe match.

[killermonkey]

I need to find that match. Damn, that shit is funny. A crowd full of angry white folks about to lynch New Jack's black ass! What a bunch of rubes!! hahaha!!

[uwa]

You guys are more talking about bumps and stuff, I was talking about punches, kicks, headbutts. Some guys out there, like Necro, Robinson, Brain Damage, Drake Younger, etc., etc., go out there and hit each other for real. Either being a punch, kick or headbutt. Whatever. But remember those punches Razor Ramon used to throw? Those looked like freakin' awesome. And his opponent probably didn't feel a thing. Now that's wrestling.

[selfdetrux]

no im talking punches too. Watch a Misuwa Kowada match

[mariooncrack]

Being stiff in the ring kind of adds a certain feel to it. You can't doubt wrestling is "real" after watching a Kawada match. He might be the stiffest wrestler out there.

To answer your question though, yeah it is getting ridiculous. Watch some of Vader's old matches. Not just his famous match with Stan Hansen but his matches with Foley and the one with Flair for the WCW title. That man could hit hard.

[echoeagle]

I believe working stiff makes it look better.